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VVA Testimony

Testimony of




Submitted for the Record


Calvin Gross
Chairman, National Employment, Training, and Business Opportunities Committee

Accompanied by 

Richard F. Weidman
Director, Government Relations

Before the

 House Committee on Veterans' Affairs
Subcommittee on Benefits 


The Veterans' Employment and Training Service

October 30, 2001  

Chairman Simpson, Ranking Member Reyes, and other distinguished members of the subcommittee, Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) is pleased to have this opportunity to provide our views regarding the status of the Department of Labor’s Veterans’ Employment and Training Service (VETS).  

As you may know, Mr. Chairman, VVA has long had serious reservations and deep concern about the generally not very effective national effort to assist veterans, especially disabled veterans and veterans at high risk to obtain and sustain meaningful employment. Ever year since VVA was founded in 1978, VVA has brought serious concerns to the Congress when it became clear that the Department of Labor (DoL) would not meaningfully address these concerns. There was a time when we thought that the problem was one of poor leadership at the Department of Labor, a flaccid bureaucracy, a lack of adequate resources, and perhaps the arrogant and anti-veteran corporate culture at the Employment and Training Administration of the US Department of Labor and their state partners.   VVA has come to the conclusion that while all of the above was (and largely still is) true, the real problem was structure and philosophy.

The VVA National Convention in 1997 scrapped all of the many resolutions that we put on the books to try and provide remedy to the myriad problems of this so-called employment system, and particularly the veteran’s portion of these services.  One thing was abundantly clear: the average veteran, particularly disabled veterans and others most in need of assistance, simply were not receiving meaningful help in the most populous parts of our Nation. Like our distinguished colleagues at the other veterans’ organizations, we had been trying to add proscriptive solutions to real problems by seeking additional black letter law.  We were wrong to think that these solutions could ever work.

The people who run what used to be called the Job Service and now the Work Force Development Agencies, take money very, very seriously.  It is virtually the only thing that gets and holds their attention. What is wrong with the current structure is that there is no reward for excellent performance, nor any sanctions for terrible performance and behavior. There is no way to get, much less hold the attention of management at every level in these agencies. Therefore, VVA has called for major changes in veterans’ employment and training system since that time, and strengthened that call in 1997, calling for meaningful standards, better monitoring and analysis, and for private sector principles to be applied to any entity that purports to meet the employment needs of veterans, particularly disabled veterans and other veterans in greatest need.

The United States is a democratic republic. The United States is also a mercantile country, relying on a variation of market forces (i.e., cash) driven forces to make our economy work well, Our economy generally does work well. Applying a variation of the free market system and our democracy is why veterans served and fought.   A carefully structured new system can make this system work.

In its September 2001 report on the status of VETS (GAO–01-928), the General Accounting Office (GAO) raised a number of concerns about the effectiveness of the VETS program in relation to the Workforce Investment Act of 1998 (WIA). A core concept behind WIA was the centralization of workforce-related services in “one-stop” centers. VETS participates in these centers through its Disabled Veterans’ Outreach Program (DVOP) and Local Veterans’ Employment Representative (LVER) programs.

When it examined the effectiveness of these centers and their utilization of DVOP & LVER services, GAO found that VETS was not collecting the data necessary to determine how effective these services were, particularly subsequent job retention and wages earned by program participants. At present, the only outcome data VETS collects is on the percentage of veterans served who gain employment. However, because each state uses different methods for verifying and measuring employment rates, the data submitted to VETS by the states represents a variable patchwork of dissimilar data, making any type of meaningful outcome measurement impossible. VVA does not understand why VETS has failed to negotiate effective agreements with state workforce agencies to develop a common standard for measuring outcomes in this area. This failure by DOL/VETS management has clearly compromised program effectiveness and is, bluntly stated, inexcusable. VVA has been urging a strengthening and simplification of this data gathering for some time, focusing on job placement. (The problem with “obtained employment”, and checking wage records is that the Work Force Development Agency (WFDA) may not have provided any real help to the veteran at all in his or her job search.)

Also inexcusable is the failure of VETS’ management to provide proper oversight of DVOP and LVER grants. We concur with GAO’s assessment that after so many years in existence, VETS still does not have effective performance management systems for monitoring compliance with program objectives. Part of the difficulty is that there are so few tools that the VETS staff has in the field. VETS can declare a state out of compliance and seize the grant funds, or move to recapture funds when the WFDA is caught red handed blatantly breaking the law.  Otherwise their only tools are encouragement and moral suasion, or strong letters and potential political embarrassment of the agency. This is the fault not of the agency, but of the top political and permanent leadership of the United States Department of Labor, who have never strongly supported VETS pushing for performance in the field. It is also the fault of the Congress for not changing Federal law, to give the VETS staff in the field more control over rewards and sanctions. In other words, there must be real money tools for them to be effective.

Beyond the management oversight problems outlined above, GAO claims that the VETS program suffers from a “lack of flexibility” driven largely by its original authorizing legislation. As GAO  noted in its report, existing law does not provide DVOP and LVER programs with the flexibility they need to move staff around within a state to match changing employment and residency patterns. The original law authorizing VETS was written under “Old Economy” conditions. Congress must modernize the VETS statute to bring the program into line with the “New Economy” and rapidly evolving job market.

Mr. Chairman, all of the preceding paragraph and “finding” is just plain eyewash. When the states’ WFDAs ask for “flexibility” what they really mean is license for doing whatever they want with the money. There is virtually no proven record of performance on the part of most states that would lead any reasonable person to say yes when they say “Trust us.”

The assumption of the GAO that the “new” one stop centers created by the Workforce Investment Act (WIA) are working well to help citizens find jobs is just plain wrong.  There is no reasonable basis on which to say this. It is worth noting that the same people who wrote this report also wrote the reports ten years ago that led to the eventual enactment of the WIA.  It is worth noting that while the GAO spent much time in person with the state WDTA and others, but only limited phone interviews were used to seek input of the veterans organizations.  It is also worth noting that the one stop centers say that they are in the “information sharing” business, rather than job placement.  This stated mission is virtually impossible to measure in terms of real and material usefulness in the employment search. Therefore there is no way to hold the WFDAs accountable for how well they are doing in regard to assisting Americans to find meaningful work at a living wage.

Mr. Chairman, there are quite a number of factual mistakes and erroneous assumptions in this report. VVA would be pleased to detail all of these in a report to this distinguished Committee, if you so desire. Let it suffice to say that the GAO is correct that rewards and sanctions are the minimum that needs to be done. GAO is wrong in their assumption of good will and a real desire to do a great job for veterans on the part of the WFDA officials in every state. Some are very good, and very committed to the mission.  Many, particularly in our most populous states are not committed or only offer lip service.

Vietnam Veterans of America sincerely appreciates the opportunity to present our views on these extremely important issues, and we look forward to working with you, Mr. Chairman, and your distinguished colleagues on this Committee to address and resolve these and other important matters of concern to our nation’s veterans. 




Funding Statement

October 30, 2001

 Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA) is a national non-profit veterans membership organization registered as a 501(c)(19) with the Internal Revenue Service.  VVA is also appropriately registered with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives in compliance with the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.

VVA is not currently in receipt of any federal grant or contract, other than the routine allocation of office space and associated resources in VA Regional Offices for outreach and direct services through its Veterans Benefits Program (Service Representatives).  This is also true of the previous two fiscal years.

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Calvin P. Gross
Employment, Training, and Business Opportunities Committee
VVA National Board of Directors


Calvin P. Gross is founder and CEO of Gross Enterprises, Inc., a technology firm marketing unique, secure, and custom communications equipment. Mr. Gross has 24 years of experience in sales, marketing and training, including 17 years as a senior marketing, product, and sales manager for AT&T/Lucent Technologies at their world headquarters in Basking Ridge, New Jersey.

Mr. Gross served in the United States Army from 1966 to 1968, with tours in Germany and Vietnam. Throughout his long involvement with VVA, Calvin has served in multiple leadership positions within the organization at the local, state, and national level. He currently serves as chairman of VVA’s National Employment, Training, and Business Opportunities Committee, which works to foster greater employment and self-employment opportunities for veterans through a variety of initiatives. He is also a member of VVA’s Board of Directors.

Calvin has served on the U.S. Secretary of Labor’s advisory board, as well as on the Board of the New Jersey Veterans Memorial Home. Calvin and his wife of 27 years have two children.



Richard Weidman
Director, Government Relations

Richard Weidman serves as Director of Government Relations on the National Staff of Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA).  He served as a medic during the Vietnam War, including service with Company C, 23rd Med, Americal Division, located in I Corps of Vietnam, in 1969.

Mr. Weidman was a volunteer with VVA in 1978 and then part of the staff of VVA from 1979 to 1987, serving variously as Membership Service Director, Agency Liaison, and Director of Government Relations.  He left VVA to serve in the Administration of Governor Mario M. Cuomo (NY) as Director of Veterans Employment & Training for the New York State Department of Labor.

He has served as Consultant on Legislative Affairs to the National Coalition  for Homeless Veterans, and served at various times on the VA Readjustment Advisory Committee, the Secretary of Labor’s Advisory Committee on Veterans Employment & Training, the President’s Committee on Employment of Persons with Disabilities, the Advisory Committee on veterans’ entrepreneurship of the Small Business Administration, and numerous other advocacy posts in veteran affairs.

Mr. Weidman was an instructor and administrator at Johnson State College (Vermont) in the 1970s, where he was also active in community and veteran affairs.  He attended Colgate University, (B.A.-1967), and did graduate study at the University of Vermont.

He is married and has four children.


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